CAII Roundup
June 5, 2006 by Laura | Trackback URI
From Red Hot Cuppa Politics, Who Needs Papers For Voting …. ?
Why bother with a silly thing like identification when you’re voting?
If an election can turn on a sentence, this could be the one: “You don’t need papers for voting.”
On Thursday night, Francine Busby, the Democratic candidate for the 50th Congressional District, was speaking before a largely Latino crowd in Escondido when she uttered those words. She said yesterday she simply misspoke.
But someone taped it and a recording began circulating yesterday. After she made that statement at the meeting, Busby immediately said: “You don’t need to be a registered voter to help (the campaign).”
She said that subsequent statement was to clarify what she meant Oh, I think we can kind of figure out what she meant … and the mad scramble for the fabled Latino Vote continues.
InMuscatine has Panderers R Us
Des Moines Register | Jail rally protests immigration arrest tactics:
Nearly 60 people gathered across the street from the Polk County Jail on this afternoon to protest the arrest of East High School graduate Estephanie Izaquirre.
Standing among the protesters was Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Ia., who said the means used to arrest Izaquirre was “an injustice.”
Thomas Richard Harkin you lying sack of shi, you are not morally able to comment on injustice after using your dead mother for political gain. Further, you take money from hard working union men and women then turn around and stab them in the back by allowing illegal aliens to steal their jobs.
You are a liar, and a hypocrite. What could you possibly know about “injustice”?!?
I want to know just how much of a clue the Des Moines Register needs to realize they are on the wrong side of this issue. 60 protesters? Big Deal! Now you have just about 2,999,940 people who didn’t protest her arrest. Looks to me like you backed the wrong horse DM Register - yet again.
“This is just not right,” Harkin said. “It’s more than a small issue.”
Harkin listened to several groups of people who approached him to ask what could be done about Izaquirre’s situation, then turned with others to the jail across the street and waved to the topmost floor where some of the protesters said Izaquirre, 18, was held.
I sure hope he was waving good-bye!
Izaquirre received an e-mail from an immigration official on Tuesday asking her to come downtown Thursday and “complete the paperwork.” Izaquirre thought she was about to get her green card, her lawyer has said.
Big deal! Her lying, contemptable, scum-sucking idiot lawyer also lied his ass off inferred his client was honest, but we know she lied to even get in this country in the first place. She obtained that which she should never have had in the first place through deception. I don’t feel sorry for her one bit.
Instead, she was arrested and held at Polk County Jail. U.S. immigration officials said Izaquirre was a fugitive and that there was an outstanding order for her deportation.
Izaquirre’s lawyer, Jim Benzoni, said she cannot be deported until an immigration judge issues a ruling.
And hopefully that ruling will send her out of this country like the criminal that she is.
And also from InMuscatine, More Cover Fire for Illegal Aliens Part III
The Des Moines Register’s editorial board is so biased to the radical Liberal position they
don’t even see how out of touch they are with the Democratic base in Iowa. Between
80-90% of every survey I have seen wants the illegal aliens deported. That includes most -
if not all - of the Democratic / Liberal base in America.Still, they feel the need to crank out sob story after sob story on the plight of a criminal
who is an illegal alien, while downplaying her theft of $50K in education from the State of
Iowa. In fact, her theft is never brought up or mentioned, even in passing.Des Moines Register | 11,999,999 deportations to
go — at what cost?:
Everyone who wants to “round up” illegal immigrants and “send them
home,” should consider the case of Estephanie Izaquirre, who is sitting in the Polk County
Jail today.The 18-year-old parentless teenager came to the United States illegally from Honduras
when she was 13. She was able to remain here by using a provision in the law allowing
child immigrants to get a green card. She started to build a life. She made friends. Spent
time with family, including an uncle who is a Des Moines school principal. She graduated
from East High School in Des Moines this spring.Then she turned 18. The next day, her attorney, Jim Benzoni, received an e-mail from an
immigration official informing him the young woman should come to the office and
“complete the paperwork.” He thought that meant she was going to get a green card.Izaquirre was thrilled.When she showed up, a deportation officer arrested her.
Since the Des Moines Register editorial board doesn’t get it, let me wind up the ol’ clue bat
to Peoria and let the beating begin :G O O D !!!
Red Hot Cuppa Politics again with
Border Control By Web Cam …
Border Control By Web Cam …
So, fearless Governor Rick Perry of Texas wants to let us watch illegal aliens streaming across the border, from the comfort of our own p.c’s …>From the BBC:
A US state is to enlist web users in its fight against illegal
immigration by offering live surveillance footage of the Mexican border
on the internet.The plan will allow web users worldwide to watch Texas’ border with
Mexico and phone the authorities if they spot any apparently illegal
crossings…Now, won’t that be a good time?Let me get this straight. So, you’re watching the border cam on your pc,
and you spot a bunch of coyotes cross the border with illegals, … and
you can pick up the phone and call up who? Border Patrol? Your neighbor?
Brian Bonner … ?The cameras will cost $5m (£2.7m) to install and will be trained on
sections of the 1,000-mile (1,600km) border known to be favoured by
illegal immigrants.Web users who spot an apparently illegal crossing will be able to alert
the authorities by telephoning a number free of chargeWell, I think it
might be an entertaining excercise, and I’ll give Gov. Perry an “I” for
ingenuity. You could kind of call it do-it-yourself border control, but
alot of Texans are in fact self-starters anyway, and it could work if
the laws inside our borders were enforced (which they’re not).Actually, it might be fun. If you’ve got a big computer screen, you
could invite your friends over for cocktails, and watch the illegals. As
a matter of fact, there’s a possibility here to devise a drinking game!
UPDATE TO BORDER CONTROL BY WEB-CAM!
Heh! Here’s a follow-up to the border-control by web cam
ng private citizens watch
illegals cross the Texas border on internet broadcast, then calling a
toll free number to report the infractions to the authorities:>From GreyCloak, in commentary to the article this morning:
HOLA!
This is your border-control HotLine.
Please press One for English.
Presione Dos para el español.How can we help you?
Please press One if you are reporting an illegal swimmer.
Please press Two if your illegal is on foot.
Please press Three if your illegals are in a boat or raft .. your call
will be transfered to the Coast Guard answering service.
Please press Four if your illegals are accompanied by a coyote.
Please press Five if your illegals are accompanied by other pets …
your call will be transferred to Animal Control.Thank you.
Please enter the number of illegals crossing, followed by the Pound
sign.Thankyou.
BEEP
Please stay on the line while we decide what to do with your phone call.
All our operators are currently on siesta.GreyCloak 06.05.06 - 10:33 am
#Remember. Your call is important to them …
You know, there are two ways to interpret the sentences, “You don’t need papers for voting. You don’t need to be a registered voter to help (the campaign).”
One is to assume that the first sentence really means “you don’t need papers to vote,” which requires one to think that Busby didn’t really mean what she said in the second sentence.
The second is to assume that the first sentence actually means what it says: “you don’t need papers for voting.” Papers for voting are voter registration papers. Busby makes clear that she means just that when she says “you don’t need to be a registered voter…” What don’t you need voter registration papers for? Why, you don’t need them to help the campaign! And that is both legal and true.
You seem horribly interested in making the worst possible interpretation, and horribly interested in avoiding making the most obvious interpretation.
Why is this?
For the second time in a few days, I come to the unfortunate conclusion that you are willing to make inaccurate claims in order to push your agenda. I do not believe this was the path that Jesus asked his followers to take in pursuing holiness.
Actually Jim, I copied and pasted that whole post. Didn’t write a word of it. My formatting makes that unclear, but I was in a rush and didn’t take time fix it. It’s a roundup of what other CAII members have been posting. But for whatever it’s worth to you, I do in fact believe that Busby intended to encourage illegal aliens to vote for her. I don’t think it’s an inaccurate claim. Aside from her own words, the Democrat party made it abundantly clear during the May Day demonstrations with their flyers and when they fought furiously against McConnell’s amendment to require photo ID at the polls. If photo ID is good enough for Mexico, why is it not good enough for us? My conclusion is that over the years there is a clear track record of Democrats working to allow illegals to vote, and I also believe that is the primary reason why Dems are so eager to open the borders. (Republicans want the cheap labor.) Are you not in the least intrigued by her choice of words? When asked by a Spanish speaker who admitted to being an illegal alien and expressed a desire to help her campaign, her first response was that you don’t need papers to vote. Was it a brief civics lesson, just general info she shares with everyone she meets? Don’t you find it in the least odd?
I’m really perplexed how liberals - and not necessarily you in particular; I don’t read your blog often enough to have an opinion on you personally - keep choosing to take the most innocent and naive perspective possible when it comes to motives of our avowed enemies, and the worst possibly motives to their fellow countrymen. The NYT implied that the President of Iran made an honest attempt to negotiate with Bush in that letter, for example. The Marines, without benefit of a trial, are judged by the media and top Dems guilty of war crimes in Haditha and Ishaqi. And in Ishaqi they were NOT guilty, as it turns out. People at demonstrations who clearly stated their intentions to take back land that they feel was stolen from them are not clearly identified; but grouped together under the label of “good hearted people” by Democrats (and some Repub leadership). Rioters in France are “youths” not unassimilated radical Islamists. To me, that’s a pattern. I’m sure the Kos Kidz could identify different patterns that shape their views, and while I question their intelligence, I don’t call them liars. On the contrary, I believe they are completely sincere. I just think they’re dead wrong.
But you conclude that I, instead of having an honest opinion about this, am making “inaccurate claims” (i.e. lying), and you (who are not a Christian if I recall correctly) wonder about my practice of my faith. Interesting. What does that say about you?
1. There is no “Democrat party.” Please spell it right, and not like the spinners on FOX News. I am not a member of the Democratic myself, but it bugs me to no end when people pull this kind of stuff just so they can end the name of the people they hate with a sound like “rat.” That’s childish.
2. The flyer does not state any encouragement of illegal voting. It states encouragement of international cooperation.
3. The reason photo ID isn’t “good enough” for us is called the Bill of Rights. You know what will happen when a photo ID is implemented. And don’t tell me, please, that the Bill of Rights only applies to citizens.
4. If we’re going to play “who’s naive,” why don’t you tell me exactly why you think this issue of illegal immigration has been raised right now. Who is being manipulated and why?
What you call “naive,” people used to call “fair.” The standard is simple. Before you (directly or through cutting and pasting) hop around claiming that someone has advocated breaking the law, consider the more reasonable context that is clearly present. Is it “naive” to give the person the benefit of the doubt when there is a more reasonable context in which to understand the comment? Or is it “fair?”
This kinder alternative interpretation is so obvious that I assumed you were intentionally inaccurate. That may not have been a fair assumption. Perhaps you are not intentionally inaccurate. Perhaps your ideological blinders just keep you from seeing what’s pretty darned obvious.
And, by the way, it doesn’t take a Christian to read the Bible, which I have, more than once. If it takes being a Christian to comment on Christianity, then how do you earn the credentials to comment on Islam?
1. Sigh. Again, with the motives. I wasn’t thinking of “rat” at all, just shortening the name the same way I did Repub, Jim. And I don’t hate Democrats. My brother is a card-carrying, Gore voting, Lieberman-despising Koz Kid style Dem. Disagreement does not equal hate.
2. That’s just not how I read that flyer. I’m astounded that you perceive it that way. I really am. For people marching for Aztlan, I don’t think they were thinking of “international cooperation” either.
3. Please, enlighten me on exactly what a photo ID for voting will do to weaken the Bill of Rights. Since the vast majority of adult citizens in this country already own a government approved photo ID, I think following Mexico’s lead on this and using it for voting is a no-brainer. And for those who don’t want a license to drive, a free ID card can be issued.
4. You really think that was just an impromptu civics lesson? A man admits to being here illegally but wants to help, and her response was “Everybody can help, yeah, absolutely, you can all help. You don’t need papers for voting, you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.” I think she was expressing two ways that he could help. Why you think those two things are mutually exclusive is beyond me. It’s a straight reading of the sentence, no parsing, no nuance, just Occam.
Why has the issue been raised now? I’ve been against illegal immigration for YEARS, and so have many others. What has stirred the situation up now is the increasing pressure of illegals on the border states, and Bush’s stubborn insistence that we provide amnesty now, and border enforcement later. He’s been in Fox’s pocket for years, and Fox wants an EU construct here by 2010. I think it will take longer than that but we’re certainly on track for it.
5. You are free to comment on Christianity whether or not you’ve read the bible. But you are unqualified to assess my practice of my faith. It was a cheap shot and I think less of you for having taken it.
I think the bottom line here is that dialog just may be useless. We’re not even working from the same set of facts much less assumptions.