Comments on: Jesus Was An Illegal Alien? http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/ pursuing holiness, following politics Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:08:59 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Laura http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-41483 Laura Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:03:23 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-41483 Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but is what you're saying that you're not in favor of enforcing man's law? How is that consistent with this passage from Romans 13? <blockquote>13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.</blockquote> I have been desperately poor. I've lived without electricity for the better part of a year and was often hungry. I did not break the law, and if I had broken it, I would expect to pay the price for doing so. Your position is unsupportable, both practically for our future as a nation and biblically. Okay, so correct me if I’m wrong, but is what you’re saying that you’re not in favor of enforcing man’s law?

How is that consistent with this passage from Romans 13?

13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

I have been desperately poor. I’ve lived without electricity for the better part of a year and was often hungry. I did not break the law, and if I had broken it, I would expect to pay the price for doing so.

Your position is unsupportable, both practically for our future as a nation and biblically.

]]> By: There but for God's grace go I http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-41482 There but for God's grace go I Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:30:59 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-41482 Laura, I think I will let God be the judge of that man that killed his daughters, and as for all the illegal immigrants that are here merely to improve their families' quality of life, I will also let God be their judge and defender as well. I hope that you never find yourself in a situation as desperate as the illegals'. Laura, I think I will let God be the judge of that man that killed his daughters, and as for all the illegal immigrants that are here merely to improve their families’ quality of life, I will also let God be their judge and defender as well. I hope that you never find yourself in a situation as desperate as the illegals’.

]]> By: Laura http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-41467 Laura Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:19:08 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-41467 Let me toss a concept out there for you, There but... <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/03/honor-killings-in-dallas-muslim-father-sought-in-murders-of-young-daughters/" rel="nofollow">a Dallas man evidently just murdered his two teenage daughters</a>. He broke the law, true. But his motivation was completely pure - defending his honor and his faith. Should he have let his daughters continue in what he considered sin? If God looks at the heart, how can He possibly condemn this good man? And if God won't, should we? Let me toss a concept out there for you, There but… a Dallas man evidently just murdered his two teenage daughters. He broke the law, true. But his motivation was completely pure – defending his honor and his faith. Should he have let his daughters continue in what he considered sin? If God looks at the heart, how can He possibly condemn this good man? And if God won’t, should we?

]]> By: Laura http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-41466 Laura Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:13:20 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-41466 What bible verse gives one government the imperative to forcibly redistribute my money to nationals of another country? This is not charity as described by the bible. It's theft. You are free to give all you want of your own money. Neither you - nor anyone else - should be free to give of mine. I give to my own church and to the ministries God leads me to, including regular support of an orphanage in Mexico. That is charity, and has nothing to do with illegal immigration. <a href="http://patterico.com/category/deport-the-criminals-first/" rel="nofollow">Here's some of those unselfish, loving people</a> you'd like to support and enable. Not to mention the drunk who rammed into my mother's car, driven by my sixteen year old daughter. I don't like to be harsh but you are obviously not well informed about the economic and societal costs of illegal immigration, nor about the parts of the bible that deal with justice and obedience rather than mercy. What bible verse gives one government the imperative to forcibly redistribute my money to nationals of another country? This is not charity as described by the bible. It’s theft. You are free to give all you want of your own money. Neither you – nor anyone else – should be free to give of mine. I give to my own church and to the ministries God leads me to, including regular support of an orphanage in Mexico. That is charity, and has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

Here’s some of those unselfish, loving people you’d like to support and enable. Not to mention the drunk who rammed into my mother’s car, driven by my sixteen year old daughter. I don’t like to be harsh but you are obviously not well informed about the economic and societal costs of illegal immigration, nor about the parts of the bible that deal with justice and obedience rather than mercy.

]]> By: There but for God's grace go I http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-41464 There but for God's grace go I Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:40:26 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-41464 I just wnat to put this thought out there. Illegal immigrant have broken the law, true. But I know for a fact that God looks at the heart. They do this for the most part for the love of their families to be able to provide SOMETHING for them. For many it is an unselfish act. Also they come here and keep a low profile and try just to do the best they can to survive and are still poor. I know that not everyone believes this way but God says that we should help those who are poor. Rather than continue quoting this article I found I will post the link here. Please read it make up your own mind what you think God really says about those who are less fortunate than us and what we should do to/about them: http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html God is also quite specific that those who help the poor will be blessed by Him in return. One last thought, God's way of giving more to us is by teaching us to give in return. This is why its more blessed to give than to receive. Proverbs 11.24 One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. I just wnat to put this thought out there. Illegal immigrant have broken the law, true. But I know for a fact that God looks at the heart. They do this for the most part for the love of their families to be able to provide SOMETHING for them. For many it is an unselfish act. Also they come here and keep a low profile and try just to do the best they can to survive and are still poor. I know that not everyone believes this way but God says that we should help those who are poor. Rather than continue quoting this article I found I will post the link here. Please read it make up your own mind what you think God really says about those who are less fortunate than us and what we should do to/about them:
http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html

God is also quite specific that those who help the poor will be blessed by Him in return.
One last thought, God’s way of giving more to us is by teaching us to give in return. This is why its more blessed to give than to receive. Proverbs 11.24 One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty.

]]> By: AngleofVision http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-40577 AngleofVision Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:32:01 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-40577 This is a great discussion. Lets look at the plain facts: - Mexico's government is corrupt, their peoples human rights and basic protection are violated every day - Drug dealers/farmers and gangs are allowed to circulate parts of Mexico (like little corrupt governments under the already corrupt hierachy) - Mexican peoples/families are enslaved and threatened by drug farmers or they work an honest days labor somewhere else only to be robbed of it by tax collectors/drug dealers. - Mexican government officials are paid off with drug money - Drugs are smuggled across our borders by legal citizens or illegal immigrants acting as "mules" to escape poverty, enslavement or eventual death. (mules may even be shipped or paid for by drug cartels). In essence the most corrupt people in our society are funding the destruction of Mexico Buying drugs, selling cocaine etc etc Which leads to the immigrants crossing our borders illegally seeking sanctuary, a new life, jobs I would say that Mexicans see themselves as Jesus Mary and Joseph did endangered by ungodly leader. Rather then sell their souls to the devils trade they take a risk on a dream of a new life serving God. They may have broken some of God's laws and the laws of man to start their new life in the US but they carry that cross with them. A cross not many of us ever have to carry. Some fail to carry the cross, but some also fight to carry that cross same cross in hopes of earning their place in heaven. The name of the game is "survival." Survival of their faith in God, Family, and fellow neighbor... This is a great discussion. Lets look at the plain facts:
- Mexico’s government is corrupt, their peoples human rights and basic protection are violated every day
- Drug dealers/farmers and gangs are allowed to circulate parts of Mexico (like little corrupt governments under the already corrupt hierachy)
- Mexican peoples/families are enslaved and threatened by drug farmers or they work an honest days labor somewhere else only to be robbed of it by tax collectors/drug dealers.
- Mexican government officials are paid off with drug money
- Drugs are smuggled across our borders by legal citizens or illegal immigrants acting as “mules” to escape poverty, enslavement or eventual death. (mules may even be shipped or paid for by drug cartels).

In essence the most corrupt people in our society are funding the destruction of Mexico
Buying drugs, selling cocaine etc etc
Which leads to the immigrants crossing our borders illegally seeking sanctuary, a new life, jobs
I would say that Mexicans see themselves as Jesus Mary and Joseph did endangered by ungodly leader.
Rather then sell their souls to the devils trade they take a risk on a dream of a new life serving God. They may have broken some of God’s laws and the laws of man to start their new life in the US but they carry that cross with them. A cross not many of us ever have to carry. Some fail to carry the cross, but some also fight to carry that cross same cross in hopes of earning their place in heaven.

The name of the game is “survival.” Survival of their faith in God, Family, and fellow neighbor…

]]> By: Pursuing Holiness » Blog Archive » On The Bright Side, Church Mission Trips Will Be More Convenient Than Ever http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-35351 Pursuing Holiness » Blog Archive » On The Bright Side, Church Mission Trips Will Be More Convenient Than Ever Fri, 18 May 2007 15:59:29 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-35351 [...] is no reason for American Christians to support this legislation, and plenty of reasons not to do so, including the fact that it’s going to seriously and adversely impact the [...] [...] is no reason for American Christians to support this legislation, and plenty of reasons not to do so, including the fact that it’s going to seriously and adversely impact the [...]

]]> By: Laura http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-30257 Laura Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:17:26 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-30257 If grace was all that counted, there would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross. God could simply have forgiven our sins and let that be the end of it. Instead, He chose to fulfill the law by paying for our sins. And by the way, ALL CAPS MEANS SHOUTING!!!!!! and is considered a serious violation of netiquette. If grace was all that counted, there would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross. God could simply have forgiven our sins and let that be the end of it. Instead, He chose to fulfill the law by paying for our sins.

And by the way, ALL CAPS MEANS SHOUTING!!!!!! and is considered a serious violation of netiquette.

]]> By: SOULS" SEE MALACHI 3:5 http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-30251 SOULS" SEE MALACHI 3:5 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:50:07 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-30251 IF YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF JESUSCHRIST YOU SHOULD ALLWAYS APPLY GRACE BEFORE LAW (MATTHEW 5:43,48)SPECIALLY WITH THIS SECULAR GOVERMENT "WICH BY THE WAY IS NOT KEEPING WATCH OVER YOUR SOULS" ,SEE MALACHI 3:5 GOD BLESS YOU. IF YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF JESUSCHRIST YOU SHOULD ALLWAYS APPLY GRACE BEFORE LAW (MATTHEW 5:43,48)SPECIALLY WITH THIS SECULAR GOVERMENT “WICH BY THE WAY IS NOT KEEPING WATCH OVER YOUR SOULS” ,SEE MALACHI 3:5 GOD BLESS YOU.

]]> By: Sillie Lizzies Rock http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4132 Sillie Lizzies Rock Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:37:35 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4132 <strong>Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?</strong> Since neither Israel NOR Egypt were sovereign states that were in control of their own borders, citizenship or nationhood, the immigration issue is MOOT. Joseph and Mary were in no sense of the word immigrants within the Roman empire, illegal or othe... Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?

Since neither Israel NOR Egypt were sovereign states that were in control of their own borders, citizenship or nationhood, the immigration issue is MOOT. Joseph and Mary were in no sense of the word immigrants within the Roman empire, illegal or othe…

]]> By: The Uncooperative Blogger http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4090 The Uncooperative Blogger Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:33:04 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4090 <strong>Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?</strong> Cross posted from Pursuing Holiness A recent post on faithfuldemocrats.com contended that, because Mary and Joseph took Jesus and fled to Egypt, that Jesus was an illegal immigrant. I can certainly understand the desire to use the Bible to buttress yo... Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?

Cross posted from Pursuing Holiness
A recent post on faithfuldemocrats.com contended that, because Mary and Joseph took Jesus and fled to Egypt, that Jesus was an illegal immigrant. I can certainly understand the desire to use the Bible to buttress yo…

]]> By: Coalition Against Illegal Immigration http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4089 Coalition Against Illegal Immigration Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:31:09 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4089 <strong>Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?</strong> Cross posted from Pursuing Holiness A recent post on faithfuldemocrats.com contended that, because Mary and Joseph took Jesus and fled to Egypt, that Jesus was an illegal immigrant. I can certainly understand the desire to use the Bible to buttress yo... Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?

Cross posted from Pursuing Holiness
A recent post on faithfuldemocrats.com contended that, because Mary and Joseph took Jesus and fled to Egypt, that Jesus was an illegal immigrant. I can certainly understand the desire to use the Bible to buttress yo…

]]> By: My Country-My View http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4083 My Country-My View Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:55:50 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4083 <strong>Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?</strong> Laura From Pursuing Holiness has Posted a great article on Illegal Immigration. I have to Cross Post this one. Jesus Was An Illegal Alien?

Laura From Pursuing Holiness has Posted a great article on Illegal Immigration.
I have to Cross Post this one.

]]> By: Jesus Was An Illegal Alien? | CommonSenseAmerica http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4081 Jesus Was An Illegal Alien? | CommonSenseAmerica Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:34:25 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4081 [...] Cross posted from Pursuing Holiness [...] [...] Cross posted from Pursuing Holiness [...]

]]> By: Dumb Ox News http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4075 Dumb Ox News Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:15:14 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4075 <strong>Non-Utopian News: Stingray</strong> Your news homepage... Better than Drudge... Eco-Leftists have expressed outrage today over the lack of attention being paid to the stingray's feelings following the death of 'Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin. While applauding the attack as a "vict... Non-Utopian News: Stingray

Your news homepage… Better than Drudge… Eco-Leftists have expressed outrage today over the lack of attention being paid to the stingray’s feelings following the death of ‘Crocodile Hunter” Steve Irwin.

While applauding the attack as a “vict…

]]> By: Right Truth http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4074 Right Truth Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:11:40 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4074 <strong>California to give scholarships and tuition to illegal aliens</strong> California, with all it's financial problems, wants to give tuition and scholarships to ILLEGAL ALIENS. Now California has no money of it's own, governments neither work nor produce any goods or services, they simply spend taxpayers hard earned money... California to give scholarships and tuition to illegal aliens

California, with all it’s financial problems, wants to give tuition and scholarships to ILLEGAL ALIENS. Now California has no money of it’s own, governments neither work nor produce any goods or services, they simply spend taxpayers hard earned money…

]]> By: Debbie http://pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-4073 Debbie Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:10:35 +0000 http://www.pursuingholiness.com/2006/09/06/jesus-was-an-illegal-alien/#comment-4073 An excellent article and something we should all think about. It is true that our faith does influence every aspect of our lives, as it should. Thanks so much for this. Sometimes we are ridiculed to being against ILLEGAL immigration, called racist, etc. That could not be further from the truth for me. It is a matter of obeying our laws so we know who is here in our borders. An excellent article and something we should all think about. It is true that our faith does influence every aspect of our lives, as it should. Thanks so much for this. Sometimes we are ridiculed to being against ILLEGAL immigration, called racist, etc. That could not be further from the truth for me. It is a matter of obeying our laws so we know who is here in our borders.

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