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Thank you Laura for the explanation. However, I think it will have little impact on those who continually insist we’re condoning the violent behavior these six youths chose to exhibit. It seems like everyone is so caught up in proving the racial factors (or lack of) that the media has portrayed rather than the real issue at hand: Why were these kids charged as adults in the first place? Even if this was an error in judgement by the DA or the judge, neither of them don’t look like they’re in no hurry to correct it.
My point is this: If we’re going to get in the business of charging juveniles for attempted second degree murder in cases like this, we should REALLY get busy building more prisons ASAP, trust me, we’ll need them. Just last Friday, there was a huge “brawl” at a school in Lafayette (and I do mean huge, over 30 students if I’m not mistaken). Some were charged, but none for attempted murder. I doubt very seriously anyone were fighting “one-on-one”, and though I can’t say someone was knocked unconscious, I’m sure quite a few of them walked away with substantial knots and lacerations as well. I can’t speak for how many school fights/beatings/brawls happen in Jena; I know my surrounding area has more than its fair share. If we start throwing them all in jail we’ll have a bigger problem down the line than you think. We’re the adults here; we should be focusing more on awareness and preventive measures to bridge the gap, not bring these kids further apart.
To Laura
I am surprised that the court documents have not all been posted at findlaw.com or smokinggun.com by now. Those are usually pretty good sources for such things.
But the link From Jena provided (again: http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070731/NEWS01/707310322) is no hyperventilating editorial, it is a summary of the findings of US Attorney Donald Washington (No doubt a racist white Bushie… not!). I’ve read many (though certainly not all) of the posts on this topic here (I found this place looking for more info), and it seems that the vast majority are based on incomplete facts or none at all.
Do you not understand my point that even treating them as the “Jenna Six” is in itself racist? There are SIX individuals, who already face different charges and have or will have different trials/hearings as things progress. AS IT SHOULD BE. Perhaps the other five don’t share Bell’s history with the law and juvie “convictions” for multiple violent crimes. If that is the case, then maybe they all belong in juvenile court. But so far, I don’t see that being the case. And the school sure is looking the other way at the youngest of the six, who by virtue of age only seems safely esconced as a “cheered on” member of the football team.
Mychal Bell should spend some time behind bars for this. He had his chances to turn his life around, and Mommie, Daddie, Coach and whoever else claims to care about this young man had their chances to help him along the way. Everyone keeps focusing on the maximum his conviction could lead to when he hasn’t even been sentenced yet. If he gets a minimum sentence would that be satisfactory to you? Do you think he should be spared ANY adult record of his violent behavior? Those same questions will be addressed with EACH trial with separate witnesses, etc. AS IT SHOULD BE. There were MANY witnesses to the “incident” — but nobody has ever denied that each of the six were involved at some level. If they should all be freed “equally” because of white-on-black racism, I play devil’s advocate and submit they should all be “equally” guilty of black-on-white racism for their violent attack. Deal? Didn’t think so.
Oh, spare me the “racist white Bushie” crap. I have a clear history of criticizing the President because he’s not conservative ENOUGH. I’ve seriously just about had enough. I’ve voted Republican my entire life, with the one exception of when I voted for Edwin Edwards, when the alternative was David Duke. I voted for the crook because it was important.
My position on things that might constitute fair punishment is clear. Go back and read the comments yourself. I’m tired of repeating it.
And no, the court documents aren’t anywhere that I’ve found, and believe me, I’ve spent time looking. AND offered to pay. And in the meantime, I’m sick and tired of providing a forum where I get major abuse from both sides behind the scenes, and lesser abuse up in the public section. I have offered you people a forum to prove your case and so far, rather than prove your case, you make snide attacks against me. Comments are closed until I feel like dealing with you again, if ever.
Added: edited for profanity a few minutes after I posted it. Yes, I’m THAT tired of this crap.
Added again – and I fisked that Donald Washington article when it first came out. He’s a liar in several key respects, notably what it would take to prove selective prosecution. I have no idea what drives the man, but after catching him in a bold-faced lie, I no longer believe him on other issues. I quoted the law that proves him a liar. He came here to smooth things over, not to find the truth.
MY SON GOES TO JENA HIGH SCHOOL SO I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON BUT NOONE TALKS ABOUT. WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK STUDENTS ELBOWING PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAYS OR SLAPPING THE BOOKS OUT OF THE OTHER STUDENTS HANDS THAT ARE GOING TO CLASS? NOT TO MENTION GOING THROUGH OTHER KIDS BOOKSACKS AND STEALING STUFF THEN BRAGGING ABOUT IT BUT THE WHITE KIDS ARE THE RACIST. SHUT UP AND GET OVER YOURSELF
ALL OF THIS WAS BEFORE THE NOOSES, BEFORE THE TREE WAS AN ISSUE, AND BEFORE THE FIGHT
[Maybe you're new to this whole interweb thingie, but ALL CAPS IS SCREAMING!!!! Future all caps comments from you will be deleted. - Laura]
Yes, clearly Jena High was a pure utopia up until the 2006-2007 school year. It’s a pity they don’t have a school employee, like, say, a disciplinarian, vice principal, or some adult tasked to take care of behavior problems in the school like elbowing, book slapping, stealing, death threats like noose hanging, etc. Or even better, parents who taught their kids to behave like civilized people instead of punks. And that goes for the racist noose-hanging punks and their friends who support them, as well as the Jena 6.
THANKS LAURA,(I AM NOT SCREAMING, SINCE THE BOLD TEXT IS OFFENDING OTHERS-IT IS JUST EASIER!) I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN JASPER, TEXAS….I WAS SHELTERED AND NEVER REALIZED HOW RACIST IT WAS UNTIL RECENTLY…RACISM IS PREVALENT, TRUE. EVERYWHERE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, IT EXISTS…JENA 6 COULD HAVE HAPPENED ANYWHERE.(JAMES BYRD INCIDENT, AS WELL) SO, “FROM JENA,” YOU REALLY DON’T HAVE TO DEFEND YOUR TOWN…BY THE WAY I AM AFRICAN AMERICAN-AFRO AMERICAN WHATEVER. I HAVE NEVER REALLY WANTED TO PROTEST(FOR ANY REASON), BUT THIS SITUATION IS TOTALLY LUDICROUS…THE NOOSE IS CLEARLY-A THREAT…THE D.A. MAKES HIS OWN RULES(IF NOT THE VERDICT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED)HOWEVER, I DON’T CONDONE THE 6 BOYS FIGHTING ON JUSTIN…TO BE HONEST, EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION…I DON’T CARE WHAT THE EYE WITNESSES SAID..THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE. EVERYONE WHO IS TRYING TO PERSUADE “FROM JENA”, IT WILL BE TO NO AVAIL. SO WHY WASTE ENERGY? IF WE CAN HELP 1 OTHER PERSON, YOU DID YOUR PART. BE IT WHITE OR BLACK…..AND FOR THOSE OF YOU, WHO THINK THAT YOUR CITY IS TOTALLY INTEGRATED, THIS IS A BIG MISCONCEPTION. IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT UNIVERSITY PARK(DALLAS), NONE OF “US” OWN ANY PROPERTY THERE.
A friend in the music business asked me to add to something he was working on to bring awareness to this case. I contacted a friend in Canada, who plays lead guitar, drums and background vocals. A friend in the UK plays bass. This is our song which is free to whoever wants to listen. I hope justice comes soon for these young men.
Let it Come Today
lo-fi URL: http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=5686031&q=lo
hi-fi URL: http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=5686031&q=hi
Unfortunately I will not be able to attend the rally in Jena on the 19th or 20th. However a friend that lives in Baton Rouge will and informed me to let others know that if you cannot attend you CAN show your support by wearing all black on those days or at least on the 20th. Please spread the news and encourage others to wear all black and inform your local radio and t.v. stations of the movement. Peace to All~Free Jena-6
There’s a lot of ignorance being thrown around in terms of racism and a lot of the posters thus far have clearly been blind to the core issue at hand.
First off, I think it’s plainly obvious that everyone KNOWS what really happened (at least in their own heads). The truth is, none of us are ever going to know the entire truth. It’s hard enough to get an accurate account from an eye witness. Throwing in media pressure and everyone’s stupidity with racial bias, well.. kiss knowing the truth goodbye.
Now really this should be first, but the whole idea of freeing the Jena Six is retarded. If you look beyond everything else that happened, these boys deserve punishment for what they did. I’ll agree with you all that it shouldn’t be as harsh as what this jerkoff DA is trying to hand down, but they do deserve punishment. Get over the notion of setting them free, it’s not going to happen.
That said, everything that’s gone on needs to be dealt with. Solve the issue with the shade tree being white’s only. Cut the damned thing down. Now it’s nobody’s tree.
I personally think a lot of what we think we know about this case has all come from lies, and the lies are from BOTH sides.
First, I have to question the motives for these dudes going to sit under the tree that traditionally was all whites. I’m white, and there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell of catching me trying to encroach on an all black basketball court, unless of course I’m out to cause a stir. Same thing goes for the kid that got his ass whipped at the party. It doesn’t sit right to begin with to put yourself in that off of a situation when you know that so many of the opposite color are going to take offense, but doing it amidst a major racial tension is absolutely moronic. What do you think is going to happen?! I’m not saying any of it is right, but common sense should have kicked in and shown that it wasn’t a good idea. All this leads me to believe is that there was intention to stir up some trouble.
Now as for the gun incident.. I’ve heard multiple accounts. What I tend to have to believe is part of both. The black kids were in the store, saw the opportunity to ‘get even’ for the party, and this dude tried to go for his gun to take them down. Now, I don’t know about you, but if I was to be put into a position where I had to pull a gun, it would be to shoot and not just wave around. On the other hand, if this guy had done as the black students are saying, where he threatened them and etc… you have to ask how he could have allowed them to take the gun. If you have someone at gunpoint, you’re going to shoot at least one of them before they’re able to wrestle that gun away from you. Again, it leads me to believe that this guy
TRIED to pull the gun, but they got it from him before he could turn it on them.
Now, with that as a precursor, the charges against the boys seem a bit more appropriate. If they did indeed wait for one of the guys who was the aggressor at the party, what would make anyone think they wouldn’t go for another? I would be floored if the white student didn’t ignite the powder keg by talking trash to one of the black boys. Either way, they beat the kid down and deserve to be punished.
So, it’s very simple.. for the highschool fight where they beat this white kid, they deserve to be punished to the letter of the law.
Now, this is what really ticks me off. STOP protesting that these kids are being charged/convicted for something that you all freely admit they’re guilty of. What you need to start doing is going after the DA for not filing charges against the whites that beat the kid down at the party. “Free the Jena Six” is a lost cause. “Equal justice for blacks and whites” would be a better (and more realistically achievable) goal.
Even if the black kid went to the party with intentions to cause trouble, a beatdown isn’t the way to deal with him. The students who assaulted that boy should be up for the same charges as the ‘jena six’. That’s the most any of you can hope for.
SHAME on you all for trying to play this up with racism. As a country, we should be better than that by now. Rather than all of you ignorant people taking one side or the other of the racial divide, COME DOWN LIKE A HAMMER on those who let that divide turn violent. Show that it’s not ok to beat someone down REGARDLESS of color.
If you take a step back, look at the facts surrounding all the events that have occurred, the only rational conclusion you can make is that racism is deeply ingrained in all that has taken place and that punishment or the lack there of has been completely inequitable. 10 minutes of research would show that the hanging of the three nooses falls under the laws of a hate crime and thusly the three students that were responsible should have been punished under those laws. The actions of the DA, specifically his comments to the assembled students, are as unethical as those of the DA in the Duke lacrosse trial, and warrant his removal from the case. The attack of the black student at the Fair Barn, regardless (side note: somebody in and earlier post used “irregardless”. That is not a word) if they were invited or not is assault and they should be charged and punished accordingly. Similarly the individual who pointed a weapon at the black students should be charged and punished accordingly. The 6 black students who attacked the white student should face assault charges without question, however attempted murder charges are absolutely ridiculous. Fist fights occur everday between teenagers without attempted murder charges ever being brought. To the people making the argument that racism is not present, you are simply not looking at the facts of this case. If you step back and take all that has happened as a whole it is quite evident that there is clear inequity occurring that can only be attributed to racism.
Teenagers are still in the developing stage of their lives and are prone to making impulsive decisions without the benefit of rational gained from experience and maturity. They need the guidance of adults to discern the difference between right and wrong and make good decisions. What is saddening in this situation is that the adults of Jena, in particular the white segment of the population, have done a very poor job of making good (i.e. fair) decisions and setting good decision making examples for the youth of this community. Children are a reflection of their environment and to a greater degree their parenting. What does it say about the adults of Jena that their children think it’s a joke to hang nooses in a tree or that their way to resolve conflict is to gang up 6 on 1 and beat someone unconscious? Jena as a community needs to take a long hard look at itself and instead of pointing fingers at one another and laying blame they need to come together as one and find solutions. Both sides need to overcome their resentment of one another and reach out. If there are real leaders on both sides of this issue they need to bring people together not divide them.
My name is Shawn, I’m white, I have friends of many different colors and nationalities, I am not racist, and I look forward to the day when we as Americans can judge each other on our individual merits and not on our color, ethnicity, or any other factor that is outside of our control.
How many fights happen in schools all across America? So what makes this one any different? These CHILDREN and I repeat CHILDREN need to punished accordingly. All involved should have been suspended or expelled but not jailed for a school fight. The charges where absolutely ridiculous and if we want to bring charges against someone why not bring charges against the school administrators who allowed a WHITE TREE to even exist? Or the ones who hung the nooses aren’t HATE CRIMES punishable by law? But let’s not forget the adult who came into the store with a loaded shot gun. This whole case is just plain STUPID.
Free these children and start the healing process
JENA RESIDENTS YOU ALL NEED A LOT OF PRAYER.
THANK GOD I DONT LIVE IN JENA
Why are black Americans still hated by so many white Americans? Is it because we were once slaves and they cannot stand the fact that we now have a little control over our lives. You’ll notice that I said a little. Is it because we did not contribute anything in the growth of America? At least that is what most of the history books taught when I came through school. Is it because of the way the media manipulates the world and shows most black Americans robbing or killing as a way of life? Or is just because we are black and not white?
White America still fears us and we cannot understand why. We work, when we can get jobs. We raise our families and want the best for them, just like white America. We join the military to help protect this country. We send our kids to school. We pay taxes. We do everything that white Americans do. But, we are still treated unjustly. There are many whites who believe that we shouldn’t be in school with their kids. There are many that believe we don’t need to work beside them, that we are taking their jobs. There are many who believe that we should be sent back to Africa. There are many white Americans that really believe that we are savages. We are not!
I know that all white Americans do not think that way. There are many white Americans that believe black Americans have just as much a right in our society as the next person. These are the white Americans I want to address this message to. WHERE ARE YOU? We need your help!
We understand that as black Americans we have got to learn to come together, all of us. We have not as of yet. We were separated as slaves and taken from our families. We were killed and slaughtered for standing up to white Americans. We were taught to fear white Americans and not to trust other black Americans. We were taught that white Americans were always right. We were taught to turn in our black American brothers and sisters to the white Americans when black Americans did something that was not approved of by white Americans. A lot of black Americans still believe that the white American is always right, or not always right but too powerful to stand against. This is especially true when it comes to our juridical system.
I can understand why when yiu look at the double standards that our court system uses when giving out sentences to white Americans as compared to black Americans. I don’t have to give examples, because I know you know, whether you’re a black American or a white American. Unfortunately, we still live in a very prejudice country. Some white Americans still want to treat us as slaves, believing that we still have no rights. How much longer can this go on? I can still understand, but not accept the little things. A black American walks down the street and a white American mother grabs her child’s hand tightly as the black American approaches. A black American stands at a counter to be waited on and a white American walks up and the cashier rushes to the white American and ask, “May I help you?” A black American who has worked on a job for twelve years trains a white American, who has just started working there with the same qualifications as the black American, but six weeks later the white American becomes the black Americans supervisor. Most black Americans have to have a college degree to become a lead person, but still can’t be a supervisor. I could go on. Black Americans go through this kind of humiliation everyday and is expected to take it. And we do! Little things that white Americans couldn’t deal with everyday. Some white Americans don’t like it. They don’t like the way black Americans are treated. But they do nothing because they are worried about their neighbors.
They wonder what their neighbors would think if they knew they didn’t like the way black Americans are treated. They wonder how they would react. They wonder, would they turn against me?
Sometimes you have to steo out on faith if you know in your heart something is wrong. You have to believe in your God. There are many white Americans out there who know that double standards are wrong. You need to pick up your telephone and make a phone call to your prosecuters, judges, congresspersons and let them know enough is enough. Sometimes it takes the ordinary people to start a movement when the elected leaders of a society won’t take a stand. America can not continue to ignore this problem. You cannot continue to ignore this problem. It’s comforting to know that you care, that you don’t feel like you are a prejudice white American. We need you to prove it, to step out. We need your help. We need to live in a united America. We don’t want the ones who still think that black Americans should know their place to win. Black Americans fight wars in other countries to help them become a democracy. Why should they have to come back to a country that is still not a true democratic country as of yet.
Black Americans know that we must mobilize our people and get them to the polls to vote. That is where our fight begins. We know we have our problems. But, we are growing weary! We know that we have some black leaders that could do more for the cause. We know all of this, and we will deal with all of this also at the polls. Our people are coming together because of JENA 6. We know that it happens everyday in some city in America. Black Americans are unjustly charged with crimes and prosecuted excessively too often, because white America has gotten away with it for so long that it just seems the thing to do.
White Americans have no idea of the things black Americans go through every day and unfortunately, some could care less. They’re not black. They think we whine. They think we use our color to make excuses for not getting jobs, promotions, raises etc…., because they are not black. They will never understand our concerns for justice because they feel like black Americans should be satisfied that we can get a job and have a place to stay. They think we are bickering about nothing. They think that we should be satisfied. This is the way they feel. They think that at least we are not slaves anymore. They think, get over it! This is how a lot of white Americans feel.
So, how do we, as black Americans, get someone who thinks like that to give a damn? We don’t. We just go on with our lives doing the best that we can and hope that eventually they will see that we don’t want anymore out of life than they do. Some will change when they get to know the real us. Some will not. Some will always hate us. But the ones that know we love life just as they do. They might eventually succumb and think. Black Americans don’t want any more out of life than we do as white Americans. They want to live a good life and be treated just like everyone else. We need the white Americans that already know this.
We need you to prove that this is a just world, that this is truly the land of the free. We need to show our leaders, black and white, that we do care. We need you white America to step out on faith and prove to the rest of the world that we can become a true democracy. Believe me, the world is watching to see what a country that cries democracy will do when put to the test. Black Americans love this country too, but we want to be treated like this is our country. We are getting weary! We are coming together! We will eventually prevail! We would love to pevail with the help of white America. We would love to all live in a united America.
From the moment I first heard about this case and the facts surrounding it I knew without a doubt it was based upon racism . What white america fails to realize is that they were outnumbered two to one in times of slavery and many black americans then already had the mindset that we all carry now of intolerance of any future disrespect and or belittlement from another human race deemed equal on this planet under GOD. I read a little further into the comments already posted and thought my anger level could rise no higher at this complete injustice until I read the comment about the WHITE girls being flirted with. This is the south we are talking about, and we will never forget the fight for slavery and where everyone stood on that matter , the hanging and burning and castrations of black men , and the murders of those even accused of something as slight as a look towards a WHITE woman. I am also upset at how these people try to fake about there true intentions I am from Virginia where racism is also still alive and well, mind you and also I give props to VA because at least WHITE racists there kept it completely out front and open and you knew what you were getting if they did not like black poeple you knew it and there was noone going to scare them into saying otherwise , it also kept a calm order an order I feel this town of JENA had until it’s WHITE girls were approached and or disrespected by now black americans seeing themselves as equals and these racial divides as dated , this is where the problem began JENA do not lie and do not sugar coat ,, you messed up ,get sued pay the fines and move on you should have enforced justice from the beginning ,your school would not have been burned ,, amongst many other latter avoidable events . I now live in Indiana also in yet another racist town of Valparaiso and I will tell the 12 plus years ago I first moved here is alot different from where it is now. I had my H.S Principle pull me inside his office in my sophmore year and tell me holding hands with my then WHITE girlfriend was deemed inappropriate ????? sound familiar JENA today valparaiso is diverse from every race walking and growing with economical leaps and bounds and where did all the racism go you may ask,well most of it moved away and some is still here you still find KKK flyers in remote areas of town placed in the midnight hours by unknown cowards but who cares I do not where are they going to keep spreading there hate pretty soon they will be on reservations smaller than the ones left to our poor robbed native americans the only future that racism holds in america JENA. And just one more comment to REV. AL SHARPTON and JESSE JACKSON and whomever else it may concern if you want to address the N word and the only station we have BET which is mislead and so called HOOD problems contact me give me one chance to speak ,, if what I say makes no sense I will accept it and further educate myself until I do. I am a movement coming dear sir with followers it is what I was placed here for and thats a promise. you have my name and the town I live I know you can do the rest to contact me and sooner than later I hope.