96% of African Americans are voting for Obama because he is an African American. Wake up. This is in truth racism. God isn’t gonna accept a man because of the color of his skin. I asked many African Americans why they are voting for Obama.

#1 response: he is a blackman and he is going to do alot for other blackmen

#2 response: if your black and don’t vote for obama you are an uncle tom

#3 response: we are going to make history with a blackman in the whitehouse

I did not hear anything in those responses about God.

Civil Unions are also against God’s law. In the Bible it is called sexual immorality. So if Obama supports civil unions he is still against God.

Obama on homosexual issues:

Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell – Gays in the Military:
Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, “The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve.”
Gay & Lesbian Adoption:
Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.
Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, “I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.”

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

“Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn’t cause discrimination,” Obama said. “I think it is the right balance to strike in this society.”
Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

I just googled Christians for Obama to see what came up, somewhat fearful of what I might find. You are one gutsy lady and you have done your research well. I applaud you! Thanks for trying to make a positive differnce for our nation and world. Some of the pro-Obama websites I looked at were absolutely appalling. I was sickened at the vitriolic language and accusations some of these people were making against conservatives who are fellow Christians. This is hardly what Jesus had in mind in John 17. Our disunity is a terrible example and distracts us from the mission God has called us to. Blessings upon you!

I just wanted to give all you Christians something to think about. I hope that you will all seriously take the time to really consider this.

In supporting Obama, I don’t care how any of you rationalize it, you are not and I repeat NOT standing on the side of God.(Before you get upset let me explain why that is)

First we all have to come to the understanding that the bible is God’s word.

Second we need to believe that it is vitally important to stand on God’s side. Read Ezekiel 22:30-31
Here God explains that he looked for someone to build the wall of righteousness that guards the land and stand in the gap so that he would not have to destroy the land. Think about Sodom and Gomorrah.

Now let’s discuss standing on God’s side.

1) Abortion: God said that he knew you before the womb. He also said it is against his will to kill.(6th commandment). Even in the case of rape, I don’t believe it is okay to take the life of the fetus. We need to use those unfortunate circumstances that test our faith, to show that we believe that God is in control and that he will make good out of the worst situations. Trust in him.

2) Marriage: Marriage was designed by God between a man and a woman. This is the reason he did not make two Adams in the garden. He is a God of order and has placed opposite gender for his specific purpose. (read Romans 1:18 – 32)Allowing gay marriage is against God’s will.

3)According to Obama, (Let’s spread the wealth around). Government taxes are to be paid because all forms of authority are established by God and he said that we should pay taxes because government workers have to be paid.(Romans 13: 1-7)Taxes should not be used to spread the wealth around. According to (2Thessalonians 3:6-14) Paul spcifically stated that those unwilling to work will not get to eat. He commanded such people to stop meddling in other people’s business and work to earn their own living. He did however encourage those who are working to never get tired of doing good. We should give freely to the less fortunate but it is not the government’s responsibility to take from one group who is working to earn their living and give it to someone else. If you believe that the rich should give you the money they earn then you are breaking the 10th commandment, Do not covet your neighbor’s belongings.

4) War in Iraq. God has blessed many wars throughout the Bible, and although I believe that it was the wrong war to fight, we are already there. Now we need to do the right thing. We cannot abandond the Iraqi people right as they are about to make a difference and alow their country to slip into something far worst. Iran could invaded this country with their radical ideology and we would have to go back there again in a far worst situation than before.

The important thing is that God does not change his mind. He is the same today as he is tomorrow. We need to choose a side and that side should be to follow God.
Abortions, gay marriages, spreading the wealth around is not God’s side. If you are not on his side on the issues, don’t fool yourself, you are against him. To me, Obama is a great speaker and he says the things the world wants to hear, but remember thw world and God are in total opposition so choose wisely and I hope this will convict your heart to stand on God’s side. Anyone teaching you other wise is not teaching you God’s word.

Thanks for listening and read those verses.

His support of Planned Parenthood is especially deplorable, given that it was founded in order to create a black genocide. Margaret Sanger, PP founder, wrote: “We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten that idea out if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” and her views are well documented. You can find that and more at this site – including this food for thought:

Between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 Blacks were lynched in the U.S. That number is surpassed in less than 3 days by abortion.

1,452 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.

3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.

Since 1973 there has been over 13 million Black children killed and their precious mothers victimized by the U.S. abortion industry.

In his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, Martin Luther King said, “The early church brought an end to such things as INFANTICIDE.” What would Martin Luther King say to the church today?

You imply that my opposition of Obama is racist:

I hope this election does not do more to divide the body of Christ racially, but it will if the evangelicals label him as an “evil, baby killing socialist”.

A convenient way to shut down argument! But it’s fundamentally dishonest, and I think deep down you know it. Because Obama is a black man, is he exempt from criticism for his views? Is that really what you want? Is that the equality MLK fought for?

I don’t care what color he is; he’s a major abortion supporter and his views are in fact socialist: forced income redistribution. He’s hung out with socialists and far leftists his entire adult life. That’s who he is. Those are the views he promotes. If Nancy Pelosi were running for President, I would say these exact same things about her. In fact, I’ve often said them about her and she’s not running. This is not a race thing at all. It’s about him, and his views, and what he will do if elected.

While your comments in post 14 are compelling and I admire the fact that you through the grace of God you were able to overcome tough times, that does not address the issue of dismissing the spiritual authenticity of the 96% of African-Americans that will vote for Obama. Are you saying that we are not Christians? [POINTS OFF YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SCORE, G. I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY THAT I DO NOT QUESTION THE SALVATION OF OBAMA VOTERS. ] Often people quote Jesus “the poor will always be among us” as an explanation for not helping their neighbors laying on the side of the road. However the poor will always be amongs us is not first spoken by Jesus, but is taken from the book of Deuteronomy chapter 15

“There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.”
Deut 15:11

But what is interesting is what is said before that text.

” However, there should be no poor among you, for in the land the Lord your God is giving you to possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you,if only you fully obey the Lord your God and are careful to follow all these commands I am giving you today. For the Lord your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you. If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs. Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: “The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near,” so that you do not show ill will toward your needy brother and give him nothing. He may then appeal to the Lord against you, and you will be found guilty of sin. Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.”

I agree with you that it is the church’s responsibilty to help the poor, but the church does not do it. [SO LIKE ABRAHAM, WHO WAS TIRED OF WAITING FOR GOD'S PLAN TO COME TO FRUITION, YOU THINK WE SHOULD JUST COME UP WITH OUR OWN PLAN AND FORCIBLY REDISTRIBUTE INCOME? IF YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT COMPLYING WITH GOD'S PLAN (AND I AGREE IT IS NOT) THE THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE CHURCH, NOT WITH GOD'S PLAN. THEREFORE IT IS THE CHURCH WHICH MUST CHANGE, NOT THE PLAN.] God promised the people an abundance when they went into the promise land. Enough to make sure all would have the opportunity to enjoy all the Lord had blessed the community. However, God was concerned that the people would become greedy and not share with their brothers and sisters. As a result the declaration that the poor would be among us, not because of God’s lack of suply, [JESUS DECLARED THAT THE POOR WILL BE WITH US ALWAYS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT - AND OUR PURPOSE IS TO GLORIFY GOD, NOT TO ERADICATE POVERTY, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE. THAT WE DO SO BY SERVING THE POOR IS THE METHOD, NOT THE GOAL.] but because of the greed in the heart of man. That is America’s problem, we are a greedy nation that does not want to share the wealth with one another. [AMERICANS GIVE MORE GENEROUSLY THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY; BOTH AS A NATION GIVING TO OTHER NATIONS, AND AS INDIVIDUAL DONORS] The bible is clear God owns the land not man, corporations or governments. I am not advocating the government take care of the people, but I do believe government should be fair. [WHAT'S FAIR ABOUT FORCIBLY TAKING THE PRODUCTS OF MY LABOR AND GIVING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE?] In America, the people are the government and the people are the church. It is up to Christians to apply Kingdom principles to a nation that places profits over people. [SO, THE SAME WAY SHARIA LAW ENFORCED DHIMMITUDE ON NON-MUSLIMS WITH THE JIZYA TAX, YOU THINK CHRISTIANS SHOULD FORCE PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS OR NO FAITH TO COMPLY WITH OUR RELIGIOUS MANDATES? HOW IS THAT GOING TO SHOW THEM LOVE AND BRING THEM INTO THE KINGDOM?] Was the $ 700 billion bailout to bankers who benefit from usury, another concept the bible teaches against, justice. My concern with you and others who proclaim some divine right to determine whether someone is a Christian based on who they vote for [I HAVE NOT DONE THAT; NOW YOU'RE JUST MAKING STUFF UP.], is that labels people based on your beliefs and not what the Word says. So I will ask again, if 96% of African-Americans vote for Obama, including African-American Christians, does this mean that they are not real Christians. That their born-again experience was not authentic? That somehow we do not know God, because we choose a different political position than you. [KEEP CHASING THAT STRAW MAN SO YOU CAN KNOCK IT DOWN, G. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE STUPID, SO I'M FORCED TO CONCLUDE YOU ARE WILLFULLY MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION, WHICH I HAVE STATED CLEARLY MANY TIMES.]

One final question, if a Christian evangelical president really believes that abortion is wrong, why has he not issued an executive order banning it and make congress and the courts declare his actions unconstitutional. Then they could have a very public fight on the merits and morality of Roe v. Wade and it would be on the public record. Name one thing these republicans have done to reduce abortions [LIKE PASS THE BAN ON PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS AND FUND CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTERS, FOR EXAMPLE? PLEASE NOTE THAT WHEN OBAMA SIGNS FOCA IT WILL UNDO THAT BAN, ALONG WITH STATE LEVEL THINGS WE HAVE FOUGHT FOR LIKE PARENTAL NOTIFICATION AND INFORMED CONSENT], other than say they are against to get evangelicals to elect them and then blame the democrats for not be able to do anything. Take a stand, take a politcal risk, do you really think McCain/Palin are going to do anything that tell you one thing and then do what other republicans have done once they get in office, maintain the status quo. Let’s stay focused on our true calling, spreading the love of Christ to a hurting world as opposed to condeming people who love Jesus just as much as you do, who have been brougth through hard times just like you, who have experienced the power of the Holy Spirit just as you do, who cry out to God everynight for thier friends, family and community just as you do, who are moved to tears in the presence of an almighty God as we worship the Lord in Spirit and truth in our houses of worship just are you are. Stopping calling people un-Christian because of how they vote, be aware when you say that you are alienting an entire race of people as wel as creating unneccesary division in the body of Christ.

[MY MAIN PROBLEM AT THIS POINT, G, IS THAT YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION AND I THINK YOU KNOW IT. FOR THE LAST TIME; I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT CHRISTIANS WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. I THINK YOU'RE DEAD WRONG, CONFUSED, OFTEN WILLFULLY IGNORANT OF WHAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING, AND FOR YOU "SOCIAL JUSTICE" TYPES, EMPLOYING A PROFOUND MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE GREAT COMMISSION, BUT I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE UNSAVED.]

1. there was NOT a law in place in Illinois that said that you always have to supply life-saving treatment to any infant under any circumstances, because babies that survived abortions were being left to die in a hospital closet. That is an irrefutable fact; testified to in Congress and in court, reported by the media, and absolutely not in contention. That is the whole reason that they tried to pass a BAIPA law in Illinois; to force doctors to treat these babies and give them a chance to live.

2. on partial birth abortion – C. Everett Koop and other doctors have testified that it is NEVER necessary to protect the health of the mother. If it were medically necessary to end the pregnancy, that could be done in such a way as to let the baby live, rather than forcing a dangerous breech delivery, punching a hole in the back of the baby’s head and sucking his brains out. So any “health of the mother” excuse is simply dishonest.

3. If Obama is interested in reducing the number of abortions, why is he going to sign FOCA, which when passed on the state level is documented as increasing the number of abortions, and why is he going to – by his own admission – cut funding for CPCs while increasing funding for Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the country?

G, #57 – not sure to whom your comment is addressed, but as far as my post is concerned – I AM NOT SAYING THAT OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. I am saying I don’t understand how a Christian could possibly vote for someone as pro-abortion as Obama is. He intends to remove federal funding for Crisis Pregnancy Centers, for pity’s sake – while still funding Planned Parenthood. That’s just indefensible. So what I’m not doing is saying these people aren’t saved. What I am doing is expressing my bemusement with how they can reconcile the two positions. It simply makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Also that might not have come accross correctly. I didn’t mean they were there for food (the 5000) I meant Jesus did not ask them their REASON for being there. We clearly do not know everyone’s reason for being where Jesus was. Some may have been for the miracles he performed or for the food, or truly to listen to what Jesus had to say. What I mean is Jesus did not ask WHY, he just LOVED them regardless of why they were there. He cared for them as we should care for others.

It seems to me you all say that govt. should not do the work of the church. However I don’t see the “church” doing the work of the church, so someone needs to.

Also it seems like people want the govt. to intervene in what we believe God wants done regarding abortion, yet not in caring for the poor?

And the multitudes Jesus fed were NOT there “just for food,” they were there to hear Jesus, and He fed them as an example of how He is the bread of life and could meet all their needs. Saying that they were there “just for food” is entirely missing the point of not just those events but of Jesus’ whole mission, which was NOT to eradicate material poverty.

Luke 3:8a, 10-11 — “ ‘Produce fruit in keeping with repentance …’ … ‘What should we do then?’ the crowd asked. John answered, ‘The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same.’ ”

Acts 20:35b — “[T]he Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”

2 Corinthians 8:7, 13-14 — “But just as you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in your love for us—see that you also excel in this grace of giving. … Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality …”

Acts 4:32, 34-35 — “All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.”

James 2:14-17 — “What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, ‘Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,’ but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.”

You can pick your Bible verses to suit your needs Drew, so here are a few of mine. You are 23 years old. Maybe you will see life differently when you add another 23 years to your life and go through some really tough times….You have only just begun to find out what it is all about brother. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I do or how much money I give or whom I help. We all can’t be born to rich parents who pay for everything for us. We all can’t be doctors or lawyers or CEOs of companies so that we never have to worry about our next meal. You talk about the CHURCH helping this lady? Well WE ARE THE CHURCH, its not a building or an organization, its a people. Unfortunately the “churches” I have seen are more ready to spend money on a huge building or a coffe house inside the church or 1.3 million on a christmas pagent (First Baptist of Ft. Lauderdale amongst others) than to help the poor. You said I should help this lady, well I have and I do every chance I get…how often do you spend your time or money doing that Drew? You have a real hang up about people being theives or taking what is yours. Its all God’s not ours. If we earn anything it is by His Grace and its not ours to keep. Jesus didn’t ask the 5000 who was there just for food, who was lazy, who was working, who believed in Him…he just FED them and He LOVED them and we are to do what he does. The greatest of these is LOVE….