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	<title>Comments on: Ohio SecState Jennifer Brunner Viciously Smacked Down By 6th Circuit</title>
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		<title>By: &#8220;If I survived an old lady @ss-kicking, I think I&#8217;d brag about it.&#8221; : Pursuing Holiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;If I survived an old lady @ss-kicking, I think I&#8217;d brag about it.&#8221; : Pursuing Holiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the thuggery being conducted by the Obama campaign and Democrats, like the Truth Squads, and Jennifer Brunner, who apparently has justified Obama&#8217;s faith in her when he said, “Well, I tell you what, it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another liberal who &lt;em&gt;admits&lt;/em&gt; that ACORN&#039;s fraudulent schemes would alter the election... (which means the decision was correct)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another liberal who <em>admits</em> that ACORN&#8217;s fraudulent schemes would alter the election&#8230; (which means the decision was correct)</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://pursuingholiness.com/2008/10/ohio-secstate-jennifer-brunner-viciously-smacked-down-by-6th-circuit/comment-page-1/#comment-47786</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Brunner decision broke along party lines among the judges. It took the full court en banc to overturn the earlier 3 panel decision.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can you provide a reasonable explanation for why Brunner stopped complying with the procedures in her own manual?  

Can you explain why the court is unreasonable for insisting she resume these procedures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Brunner decision broke along party lines among the judges. It took the full court en banc to overturn the earlier 3 panel decision.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can you provide a reasonable explanation for why Brunner stopped complying with the procedures in her own manual?  </p>
<p>Can you explain why the court is unreasonable for insisting she resume these procedures?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,
I read both liberal and conservative blogs, and I am enjoying this one.  Thank you for hosting it.

The Republican lawsuits brought in battleground states (and seemingly only in battleground states) over particular issues seeking changes that would benefit Republican candidates at the expense of Democratic candidates are viewed as illegal vote caging and illegal voter intimidation among Democrats.  In turn, the GOP is suing over what it sees as voter fraud that would benefit Democrats unfairly in Republican eyes.  Both parties are seeking to game the system to their benefit.  Certainly former OH Sec. of State Blackwell gamed OH elections in 2004 for the benefit of Republicans with tactics whose legality continues to be questioned.  

As for voters attending universities, conservative Christian Liberty University just urged all their students to register in VA and vote there.  When a Republican elections official sent out letters to students telling them they could not legally vote in VA, the VA Sec. of State and courts quickly made him correct this error.  Under VA law, you can be a student, register in VA, and vote.  Each state has different rules regarding residency.  Ideally of course students register their cars, register to vote, etc. all in the same state, but even some of our legislators vote in one state while having their cars and homes in the greater DC area.  

As attorney friends say, you can always sue and claim something is illegal, but that doesn&#039;t mean you will win.  The Brunner decision broke along party lines among the judges.  It took the full court en banc to overturn the earlier 3 panel decision.  Would a circuit with more Democratic judges have voted otherwise?  

My point is Republicans and Democrats alike seek advantages through laws, lawsuits, and legal advantages.  Partisans on both sides are going to see the activities of the other as unfair and illegal.  Casting Democrats or Republicans as all evil or all good does not help our country and certainly politicizes religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,<br />
I read both liberal and conservative blogs, and I am enjoying this one.  Thank you for hosting it.</p>
<p>The Republican lawsuits brought in battleground states (and seemingly only in battleground states) over particular issues seeking changes that would benefit Republican candidates at the expense of Democratic candidates are viewed as illegal vote caging and illegal voter intimidation among Democrats.  In turn, the GOP is suing over what it sees as voter fraud that would benefit Democrats unfairly in Republican eyes.  Both parties are seeking to game the system to their benefit.  Certainly former OH Sec. of State Blackwell gamed OH elections in 2004 for the benefit of Republicans with tactics whose legality continues to be questioned.  </p>
<p>As for voters attending universities, conservative Christian Liberty University just urged all their students to register in VA and vote there.  When a Republican elections official sent out letters to students telling them they could not legally vote in VA, the VA Sec. of State and courts quickly made him correct this error.  Under VA law, you can be a student, register in VA, and vote.  Each state has different rules regarding residency.  Ideally of course students register their cars, register to vote, etc. all in the same state, but even some of our legislators vote in one state while having their cars and homes in the greater DC area.  </p>
<p>As attorney friends say, you can always sue and claim something is illegal, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you will win.  The Brunner decision broke along party lines among the judges.  It took the full court en banc to overturn the earlier 3 panel decision.  Would a circuit with more Democratic judges have voted otherwise?  </p>
<p>My point is Republicans and Democrats alike seek advantages through laws, lawsuits, and legal advantages.  Partisans on both sides are going to see the activities of the other as unfair and illegal.  Casting Democrats or Republicans as all evil or all good does not help our country and certainly politicizes religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blogical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blogical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;As to what the Democrats are doing, Google the Cloward-Piven strategy. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, this will be a term everyone will be very familiar with...but not soon enough to prevent Obama from being elected, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;As to what the Democrats are doing, Google the Cloward-Piven strategy. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Yeah, this will be a term everyone will be very familiar with&#8230;but not soon enough to prevent Obama from being elected, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the same, Drew, if this situation were flipped - if Batchelder&#039;s husband were a Democrat, and if Batchelder was in the majority upholding Brunner for not doing her job, I&#039;d be ticked.  The appearance of impropriety is there.

What really amuses me, and I should have put it in the post, is that what Martin did in his dissent was acknowledge that a) the outcome of the election was at stake in whether or not fraudulent registrations were permitted and b) permitting it benefits Democrats, not Republicans.  

That&#039;s hilarious.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the same, Drew, if this situation were flipped &#8211; if Batchelder&#8217;s husband were a Democrat, and if Batchelder was in the majority upholding Brunner for not doing her job, I&#8217;d be ticked.  The appearance of impropriety is there.</p>
<p>What really amuses me, and I should have put it in the post, is that what Martin did in his dissent was acknowledge that a) the outcome of the election was at stake in whether or not fraudulent registrations were permitted and b) permitting it benefits Democrats, not Republicans.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s hilarious.  <img src='http://pursuingholiness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Judge Martin:
&quot;What I find troubling is the fact that Judge Batchelder did not recuse herself from voting for rehearing this case en banc, while her husband stands for reelection this year as a state representative in Ohio, &lt;strong&gt;whose election will no doubt be substantially altered&lt;/strong&gt; by the way the en banc majority ultimately decides this case.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Laura you are dead wrong about Batchelder having any obligation to recuse herself. According to the Defendant, this plan won&#039;t alter the election at all; it will merely cause the Defendant additional trouble (the extent of which is debatable). That idiot Democrat dissenting Judge Martin, on the other hand, just &lt;em&gt;admitted&lt;/em&gt; that the Defendant&#039;s corrupt mechanism will alter elections. If anything, Judge Martin should be impeached for overtly supporting corruption!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Judge Martin:<br />
&#8220;What I find troubling is the fact that Judge Batchelder did not recuse herself from voting for rehearing this case en banc, while her husband stands for reelection this year as a state representative in Ohio, <strong>whose election will no doubt be substantially altered</strong> by the way the en banc majority ultimately decides this case.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Laura you are dead wrong about Batchelder having any obligation to recuse herself. According to the Defendant, this plan won&#8217;t alter the election at all; it will merely cause the Defendant additional trouble (the extent of which is debatable). That idiot Democrat dissenting Judge Martin, on the other hand, just <em>admitted</em> that the Defendant&#8217;s corrupt mechanism will alter elections. If anything, Judge Martin should be impeached for overtly supporting corruption!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you fail to acknowledge that Brunner used to do the thing she now claims is too hard to do.  She never explained why she stopped, she never explained why it&#039;s too hard.  She doesn&#039;t have to &quot;come up&quot; with a system, she just needs to implement the one she used to use, and that is described in her own manual.  As to what the Democrats are doing, Google the Cloward-Piven strategy.  

Republicans are not specifically trying to block a particular group, they are trying to block illegal voting.  For example, in Virginia a lot of college students have registered illegally as Virginia voters.  This benefits Democrats because Virginia is a battleground state this year, but the fact is that the legal way for those students to vote is to do so absentee in their home state, or to change their legal domicile to Virginia.  They can&#039;t have it both ways.  You vote in the state where you are legally domiciled, so if they want to continue living with mom and dad, enjoying lower car insurance rates and being under mom and dad&#039;s health insurance as a member of their household, then that&#039;s where they have to vote.  Democrats are trying to game the system.  It&#039;s illegal and unfair.  Republicans are trying to get the Democrats to comply with existing law, as they used to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you fail to acknowledge that Brunner used to do the thing she now claims is too hard to do.  She never explained why she stopped, she never explained why it&#8217;s too hard.  She doesn&#8217;t have to &#8220;come up&#8221; with a system, she just needs to implement the one she used to use, and that is described in her own manual.  As to what the Democrats are doing, Google the Cloward-Piven strategy.  </p>
<p>Republicans are not specifically trying to block a particular group, they are trying to block illegal voting.  For example, in Virginia a lot of college students have registered illegally as Virginia voters.  This benefits Democrats because Virginia is a battleground state this year, but the fact is that the legal way for those students to vote is to do so absentee in their home state, or to change their legal domicile to Virginia.  They can&#8217;t have it both ways.  You vote in the state where you are legally domiciled, so if they want to continue living with mom and dad, enjoying lower car insurance rates and being under mom and dad&#8217;s health insurance as a member of their household, then that&#8217;s where they have to vote.  Democrats are trying to game the system.  It&#8217;s illegal and unfair.  Republicans are trying to get the Democrats to comply with existing law, as they used to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Once again, [SoS] Jennifer Brunner has wasted valuable taxpayer dollars only to have her partisan agenda rejected by a court of law. Her shameful actions to disenfranchise Republican absentee voters, block the transparency of early voting and refuse the p</title>
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		<dc:creator>Once again, [SoS] Jennifer Brunner has wasted valuable taxpayer dollars only to have her partisan agenda rejected by a court of law. Her shameful actions to disenfranchise Republican absentee voters, block the transparency of early voting and refuse the p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Once again, [SoS] Jennifer Brunner has wasted valuable taxpayer dollars only to have her partisan agenda rejected by a court of law. Her shameful actions to disenfranchise Republican absentee voters, block the transparency of early voting and refuse the p</title>
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		<dc:creator>Once again, [SoS] Jennifer Brunner has wasted valuable taxpayer dollars only to have her partisan agenda rejected by a court of law. Her shameful actions to disenfranchise Republican absentee voters, block the transparency of early voting and refuse the p</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This decision looks very partisan.  The original 3 judges on the 6th Circuit ruled in favor of Brunner&#039;s position.  Now the full court hears the case and reverses the earlier ruling in a split decision along party lines.  The Republican judges voted to force Brunner to come up with a system by Friday, and the Democratic judges voted for the original decision.  As when Ohio&#039;s Blackwell was both simultaneously chair of Bush&#039;s re-election campaign and Secretary of State, this highly partisan ruling looks and feels like more bickering along party lines.  Democrats are trying to register as many people as possible because that helps them.  Republicans are trying to block as many minorities, students, etc. from voting as they can because that helps the GOP.  Ugly, un-helpful, and un-American.

Peach&#039;s comments about Sec. Brunner are sexist and inappropriate in any public forum and especially in one about Christian living.  Thank you, Laura, for reining him/her in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This decision looks very partisan.  The original 3 judges on the 6th Circuit ruled in favor of Brunner&#8217;s position.  Now the full court hears the case and reverses the earlier ruling in a split decision along party lines.  The Republican judges voted to force Brunner to come up with a system by Friday, and the Democratic judges voted for the original decision.  As when Ohio&#8217;s Blackwell was both simultaneously chair of Bush&#8217;s re-election campaign and Secretary of State, this highly partisan ruling looks and feels like more bickering along party lines.  Democrats are trying to register as many people as possible because that helps them.  Republicans are trying to block as many minorities, students, etc. from voting as they can because that helps the GOP.  Ugly, un-helpful, and un-American.</p>
<p>Peach&#8217;s comments about Sec. Brunner are sexist and inappropriate in any public forum and especially in one about Christian living.  Thank you, Laura, for reining him/her in.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peach - please lay off the personal comments; calling Brunner a bitch is out of bounds.  Also, Bush isn&#039;t taking action on ACORN that I know of - other groups, not the DOJ, are suing.  I wish the DOJ would get involved!  And it will hurt Obama eventually - even CNN and MSNBC are finally being forced to report on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peach &#8211; please lay off the personal comments; calling Brunner a bitch is out of bounds.  Also, Bush isn&#8217;t taking action on ACORN that I know of &#8211; other groups, not the DOJ, are suing.  I wish the DOJ would get involved!  And it will hurt Obama eventually &#8211; even CNN and MSNBC are finally being forced to report on it.</p>
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		<title>By: peach!</title>
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		<dc:creator>peach!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Serves the bitch right! Someone from GOP better watch and make sure she complies properly! I am glad bush is finally taking action for once and going after these acorn scum! Hope this hurts obama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Serves the bitch right! Someone from GOP better watch and make sure she complies properly! I am glad bush is finally taking action for once and going after these acorn scum! Hope this hurts obama!</p>
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		<title>By: Sixth Circuit Orders Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner To Follow Law And Verify New Voter Registrations &#124; Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sixth Circuit Orders Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner To Follow Law And Verify New Voter Registrations &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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